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		<title>By: Chris Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought a set of Ay Up lights. They are an amazingly engineered and very bright. I think that they have an excellent product. I was very impressed with the overall design and the thought that went into the product. The packaging is second to none, and they are very bright with long lasting batteries. These are among the best lights you can get.

HOWEVER, my advice is that you *should not* buy them unless you can source them from a bike shop because the company&#039;s customer service is off the chart in terms of how bad it was.

1. The web site is not clear and lacks guidance as to how to select the right product and options. Since they were so expensive I wanted to be careful with the purchase and so ordered a single battery system. When I got it I realized that I needed two batteries but I found that the charger would only do one at a time. When I asked to swap out the single charger for a dual and pay something extra the response was &#039;too bad mate - no partial refund buy a dual charger and put the the single into a drawer&#039;.

2. When I ordered the second battery they forgot to ship it. Ten days later I called asking where it was and they said they would send it that week. No explanation. No apology. Great except my race started a week later. Had them send the lights to me in Canada but never got the second battery in time for the race. They couldn&#039;t be bothered sending them expedited mail and it took 2+ weeks to arrive.

3. Paying was a joke. The first time I tried using my Paypal. Their site would not accept my Paypal to ship to New Zealand. So I used their option of calling and leaving my credit card on their answer phone. I never heard a thing and after another 5+ attempts I got to speak to someone who said that the credit card number wasn&#039;t received.

The hassles of ordering, poor support, and negligent shipping make this my absolute worst experience shopping for bike gear online. It is a real shame that they don&#039;t take their customer service as seriously as their product design. Reminds me other other companies in the past who have gone out of business in spite of excellent products.

So, if you can find the lights in your LBS buy them. Otherwise the benefits of the lights compared to the problems of dealing with the company don&#039;t make it worthwhile getting them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a set of Ay Up lights. They are an amazingly engineered and very bright. I think that they have an excellent product. I was very impressed with the overall design and the thought that went into the product. The packaging is second to none, and they are very bright with long lasting batteries. These are among the best lights you can get.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, my advice is that you *should not* buy them unless you can source them from a bike shop because the company&#8217;s customer service is off the chart in terms of how bad it was.</p>
<p>1. The web site is not clear and lacks guidance as to how to select the right product and options. Since they were so expensive I wanted to be careful with the purchase and so ordered a single battery system. When I got it I realized that I needed two batteries but I found that the charger would only do one at a time. When I asked to swap out the single charger for a dual and pay something extra the response was &#8216;too bad mate &#8211; no partial refund buy a dual charger and put the the single into a drawer&#8217;.</p>
<p>2. When I ordered the second battery they forgot to ship it. Ten days later I called asking where it was and they said they would send it that week. No explanation. No apology. Great except my race started a week later. Had them send the lights to me in Canada but never got the second battery in time for the race. They couldn&#8217;t be bothered sending them expedited mail and it took 2+ weeks to arrive.</p>
<p>3. Paying was a joke. The first time I tried using my Paypal. Their site would not accept my Paypal to ship to New Zealand. So I used their option of calling and leaving my credit card on their answer phone. I never heard a thing and after another 5+ attempts I got to speak to someone who said that the credit card number wasn&#8217;t received.</p>
<p>The hassles of ordering, poor support, and negligent shipping make this my absolute worst experience shopping for bike gear online. It is a real shame that they don&#8217;t take their customer service as seriously as their product design. Reminds me other other companies in the past who have gone out of business in spite of excellent products.</p>
<p>So, if you can find the lights in your LBS buy them. Otherwise the benefits of the lights compared to the problems of dealing with the company don&#8217;t make it worthwhile getting them.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James (and more balanced people)

AyUps system is a quick release.

One of the advantages of Ay-Up&#039;s is that the mounts are cheap. 

We did a 2 x 4 team 24 hour. Those without lights just purchased a set of mounts each. ~AU$13.00 plus a proportion of postage. Easy and cheap. I got a couple of spare mount sets for my other bikes.

I have had a couple of sets (the first of the Cree&#039;s) for over 2 years. Not one failure.  (I have seen a guy flip a bike and break a bar mount. quite reasonable to expect)

I commute regularly and run both head and bar sets on a road bike (100km round trip) so they have had plenty of use.

They do have a proper controller. well after the nominated burn times they start to dim, then after a long while shut off. Exactly as supposed to.

If I want more bits, mounts, pouches, batteries etc, easy, jump on the net and buy what I want at reasonable prices.

I recommended them to my riding friends (I purchased sight unseen, but doing my homework). Since then many of my friends have purchased them and still talk to me (all happy and impressed). There are some competitive options out there now, but AyUps are hard to beat bang for the buck.

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James (and more balanced people)</p>
<p>AyUps system is a quick release.</p>
<p>One of the advantages of Ay-Up&#8217;s is that the mounts are cheap. </p>
<p>We did a 2 x 4 team 24 hour. Those without lights just purchased a set of mounts each. ~AU$13.00 plus a proportion of postage. Easy and cheap. I got a couple of spare mount sets for my other bikes.</p>
<p>I have had a couple of sets (the first of the Cree&#8217;s) for over 2 years. Not one failure.  (I have seen a guy flip a bike and break a bar mount. quite reasonable to expect)</p>
<p>I commute regularly and run both head and bar sets on a road bike (100km round trip) so they have had plenty of use.</p>
<p>They do have a proper controller. well after the nominated burn times they start to dim, then after a long while shut off. Exactly as supposed to.</p>
<p>If I want more bits, mounts, pouches, batteries etc, easy, jump on the net and buy what I want at reasonable prices.</p>
<p>I recommended them to my riding friends (I purchased sight unseen, but doing my homework). Since then many of my friends have purchased them and still talk to me (all happy and impressed). There are some competitive options out there now, but AyUps are hard to beat bang for the buck.</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had my Ay-Up mountain bike kit for a year now and not a single flaw or regret with the purchase, awesome lights and quality. Ordered em back when there was a US distributor and that is no more for some reason. I&#039;m planning to order some spare batteries soon and will have to get them from the Australian website, don&#039;t care because there stuff is really great. No problems and super bright lights at a reasonable price.
The batteries that my kit came with are the ones with just the on/off button so that&#039;s what I want to get. Ay-up offers newer batteries with high/low power and flashing modes but that just doesn&#039;t interest me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had my Ay-Up mountain bike kit for a year now and not a single flaw or regret with the purchase, awesome lights and quality. Ordered em back when there was a US distributor and that is no more for some reason. I&#8217;m planning to order some spare batteries soon and will have to get them from the Australian website, don&#8217;t care because there stuff is really great. No problems and super bright lights at a reasonable price.<br />
The batteries that my kit came with are the ones with just the on/off button so that&#8217;s what I want to get. Ay-up offers newer batteries with high/low power and flashing modes but that just doesn&#8217;t interest me.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a way to order an Ay-Up system in the US w/out having to go to the Ay-Up site (in Australia) and pay for the shipping and have to wait?  I heard it can take a few weeks or more for an order from Ay-Up to arrive in the US.  I have no idea if that&#039;s true but that&#039;s what the guy who _highly_ recommended the system told me (he loves his Ay-Up system).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a way to order an Ay-Up system in the US w/out having to go to the Ay-Up site (in Australia) and pay for the shipping and have to wait?  I heard it can take a few weeks or more for an order from Ay-Up to arrive in the US.  I have no idea if that&#8217;s true but that&#8217;s what the guy who _highly_ recommended the system told me (he loves his Ay-Up system).</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 04:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James do you work for another lighting company or something? You are entitled to your opinions but no one is going to take them seriously when you clearly don&#039;t know what you are talking about. AYUP is truly a great mountain bike lighting system and should be be seriously considered when purchasing a light set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James do you work for another lighting company or something? You are entitled to your opinions but no one is going to take them seriously when you clearly don&#8217;t know what you are talking about. AYUP is truly a great mountain bike lighting system and should be be seriously considered when purchasing a light set.</p>
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		<title>By: Whey Cooler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whey Cooler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

I have been using these for a few months now. I have never lost a light due to a cable tie failing and I have had a few hard bails. To complain about the &#039;cheap&#039; mounting system is only looking for something to complain about. As you say...cable ties are CHEAP...you snap one you can get 100 more for $2 almost anywhere.

Flashing mode has been added for this year...but those of us who actually use the light to ride (which these units are designed for) have no need for flashing nonsense. In fact in most states here in the US it is ILLEGAL to have flashing white lights to the front of ANY vehicle and this includes bicycles. I am only guessing you are from the UK? Which I have no idea about in terms of bike requirements.

That being said, using this in the steady on mode for commutes works just fine and when it is dark out cars high beam you if you have them pointed up too far on the roadway. They have the new CREE led&#039;s and for the money, you get a lot and not a mess of gimmicky garbage. Straight forward light and a lot of it...plain and simple.

Have you actually owed and used these or are you armchairing your own views based on...nothing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>I have been using these for a few months now. I have never lost a light due to a cable tie failing and I have had a few hard bails. To complain about the &#8216;cheap&#8217; mounting system is only looking for something to complain about. As you say&#8230;cable ties are CHEAP&#8230;you snap one you can get 100 more for $2 almost anywhere.</p>
<p>Flashing mode has been added for this year&#8230;but those of us who actually use the light to ride (which these units are designed for) have no need for flashing nonsense. In fact in most states here in the US it is ILLEGAL to have flashing white lights to the front of ANY vehicle and this includes bicycles. I am only guessing you are from the UK? Which I have no idea about in terms of bike requirements.</p>
<p>That being said, using this in the steady on mode for commutes works just fine and when it is dark out cars high beam you if you have them pointed up too far on the roadway. They have the new CREE led&#8217;s and for the money, you get a lot and not a mess of gimmicky garbage. Straight forward light and a lot of it&#8230;plain and simple.</p>
<p>Have you actually owed and used these or are you armchairing your own views based on&#8230;nothing?</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems particulaly one sided. Several issues with using cable ties for helmet mount, handlebar mount etc. A pain in the A$$ to remove or move from bike to bike for example.

Most other manufacturers have quick release systems that work for lenght of system not just one month. Ayup offers only a one month warranty on these parts.

Its a clever marketing exercise of a few colored pieces of aluminium with a multitude of cheap bits like rubber spacers, cable ties  to make a &#039;kit&#039;. For this its waaay overpriced. One carefully chosen torch with a modern led is way cheaper and more practical.

Lights may be bright to the uninformed when compared to the old techology but not when compared to modern tech. The light don&#039;t even have a proper controller, just a resistor which will dimm when battery goes down.

Again, overpriced and as pointed out in your review one cannot even use the pouch it came in. Light does not have a flashing mode so limits  use in commuting situations.

At a recent mtb race, the manufacturer was forced to replace many light systems after crashes when these are notionaly claimed as being robust. In practice this clearly was not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems particulaly one sided. Several issues with using cable ties for helmet mount, handlebar mount etc. A pain in the A$$ to remove or move from bike to bike for example.</p>
<p>Most other manufacturers have quick release systems that work for lenght of system not just one month. Ayup offers only a one month warranty on these parts.</p>
<p>Its a clever marketing exercise of a few colored pieces of aluminium with a multitude of cheap bits like rubber spacers, cable ties  to make a &#8216;kit&#8217;. For this its waaay overpriced. One carefully chosen torch with a modern led is way cheaper and more practical.</p>
<p>Lights may be bright to the uninformed when compared to the old techology but not when compared to modern tech. The light don&#8217;t even have a proper controller, just a resistor which will dimm when battery goes down.</p>
<p>Again, overpriced and as pointed out in your review one cannot even use the pouch it came in. Light does not have a flashing mode so limits  use in commuting situations.</p>
<p>At a recent mtb race, the manufacturer was forced to replace many light systems after crashes when these are notionaly claimed as being robust. In practice this clearly was not the case.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote a review awhile back about Ay Up&#8217;s mountain bike and road bike light system.  Ay Up&#8217;s lights [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These lights are great!  I use them on the mountain bike and when commuting to work.... I even used them when we had a 26 hour blackout the other day - I just pointed them at the ceiling, and it lit up the entire room! :)  Good stuff!  Go AyUp - a great Aussie product!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These lights are great!  I use them on the mountain bike and when commuting to work&#8230;. I even used them when we had a 26 hour blackout the other day &#8211; I just pointed them at the ceiling, and it lit up the entire room! :)  Good stuff!  Go AyUp &#8211; a great Aussie product!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Martens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with everything you have detailed here.  These lights are amazingly bright for such a compact and light weight system.  When I think of other light systems that compare to the Ay-Up none come to mind.  Ay-Up is worth every dollar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with everything you have detailed here.  These lights are amazingly bright for such a compact and light weight system.  When I think of other light systems that compare to the Ay-Up none come to mind.  Ay-Up is worth every dollar!</p>
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