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		<title>Carver Bikes 96&#8242;er Mountain Bike Review</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott Mosko</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me begin by stating that this review is for the Carver 96’er frameset. However, I could do a review on so many items on the bike, since I have never ridden any of them before. I wanted this build to be new and fresh as I always do, rather than build with components I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/carver-96er-sideview.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1549" style="margin: 10px;" title="carver-96er-sideview" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/carver-96er-sideview-300x225.jpg" alt="carver 96er sideview 300x225 Carver Bikes 96er Mountain Bike Review" width="300" height="225" /></a>Let me begin by stating that this review is for the <a href="http://www.carverbikes.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=4&amp;Itemid=12" rel="nofollow" title="Carver 96'er"  target="_blank"><strong>Carver 96’er frameset</strong></a>. However, I could do a review on so many items on the bike, since I have never ridden any of them before. I wanted this build to be new and fresh as I always do, rather than build with components I am familiar with. In this way, I am able to have a broad knowledge of many brands. I try to be unbiased when evaluating different items, and judge them on their own merit. However, I will state that I would not change a single component on the bike – everything performed flawlessly!</p>
<p>I have been riding a rigid single speed 29’er for the past several months, so I am very familiar with riding 29” wheels. They are great for rolling trails, but I would prefer a 26” bike for racing or very technical singletrack. One of my good friends has become a 96’er convert, and now has a rigid <a href="http://www.carverbikes.com" rel="nofollow" title="Carver Bikes"  target="_blank"><strong>Carver</strong></a> single speed, as well as another brand’s full suspension bike. I was intrigued by the 96’er idea, especially having come from a motocross background. A larger tire up front will roll more easily, which is why so many people are now riding 29”-wheeled bikes. On the other hand, it does take more effort to spin up a rear 29” wheel, so technical riding can suffer when acceleration out of corners is required. Companies making the 96’er-style of bicycle use this as the rationale for using a 29” front wheel and a 26” rear. After building Tom’s Carver 96’er single speed, I knew that would have to be my next frame! However, all three of my current mountain bikes are single speeds, so I knew that I wanted gears. I plan to race again (2 or 3 x 9), but in the meantime, I felt that a 1&#215;9 would serve me perfectly in the Atlanta area, since I could ride most trails on a single speed. Given the benefits, a 96’er 1&#215;9 would seem to be the perfect all-around bike.</p>
<p>As built, the Carver was 25.5 lbs. with pedals – very respectable, considering the fact that it had a 29” front wheel and fork. I was not aiming for a light bike necessarily – after receiving the frame, I bought the Halo rims, knowing that they would be relatively heavy since they were freeride rims. However, I compensated with the other components. I have never personally had Chris King hubs, but I have built dozens of wheels with them. I knew that I wanted the best. I decided to use a 20mm thru-axle just because. Originally I was going to get a FOX fork, but they did not have any 29’er forks in stock since they were transitioning to 2010 units. I currently have FOX, Marzocchi, and Rockshox forks on other bikes, so I decided to try the Manitou. I have been riding several models of Avid and Hayes disc brakes, so I wanted to try Magura SL. Finally, I went with the Ritchey carbon bars, stem, and seatpost.</p>
<p>The first thing I noticed about the bike was how responsive it was! The tubeless tires helped, but I was immediately comfortable on the bike. My friend Dave was riding behind me, and he commented several times on how well I was able to flick it around. I actually had to keep reminding myself that it was not a 26”-wheeled bike. It pulled a wheelie much easier than my other 29” bike, and just felt “right.” I was a little reluctant to push heavily into corners at first due to the standard tire converted to tubeless on the front, but my confidence increased as the ride progressed. The harder I pushed the bike, the more it seemed to want! The bottom bracket was super-stiff, and handling was exactly as expected. I have an old Mazda RX7 GSL-SE I am restoring, and this bike reminded me of that car – point it where you want it to go and it does the rest!</p>
<p>Descending was zero effort, and I felt perfectly confident at any speed. I will admit that the tires and brakes were a large factor, but the geometry of the frame was the main reason. Climbing was equally as impressive. I tried the new “Monster Mile” at the Fort Yargo trails in Winder for the first time, not having any experience with it. There is a decent-sized “horseshoe drop” which was the most technical part of the ride. The bike dug in and climbed out of the Georgia clay without incident – I never put a foot down on that entire trail!</p>
<p>I can’t say enough about how happy I am with the bike – it is the PERFECT mountain bike for almost every trail in Georgia! I am definitely a 96’er convert now, and that will be the bike I use mainly. Sure, the components were incredible, but they were only as good as the foundation. A painted Carver 96’er frame is $399 MSRP. I would take that frame any day over a $1,500 carbon 26” frameset! It was stiff and responsive with perfect handling. What more can I say? The bike was amazing!</p>
<p><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/carver-96er-frontview.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1550" style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px;" title="carver-96er-frontview" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/carver-96er-frontview-225x300.jpg" alt="carver 96er frontview 225x300 Carver Bikes 96er Mountain Bike Review" width="225" height="300" /></a><strong>Frame</strong>: <a href="http://www.carverbikes.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=4&amp;Itemid=12" rel="nofollow" title="Carver 96'er"  target="_blank">Carver 96’er</a><br />
<strong>Fork</strong>: Manitou Minute-29 Super 09 Absolute T-A – 100mm travel<br />
<strong>Rims</strong>: Halo Freedom Disc (29” front, 26” rear) with Stan’s NoTube kits<br />
<strong>Hubs</strong>: Chris King ISO Disc (20mm front thru-axle)<br />
<strong>Spokes</strong>: Black Wheelsmith double-butted with blue alloy nipples<br />
<strong>Brakes</strong>: Magura Marta SL (180 front and 160 rear)<br />
<strong>Headset</strong>: Chris King NoThread<br />
<strong>Shift Lever</strong>: SRAM X.0<br />
<strong>Rear Derailleur</strong>: SRAM X.0<br />
<strong>Chain</strong>: SRAM hollow pin<br />
<strong>Stem</strong>: Ritchey WCS carbon<br />
<strong>Seatpost</strong>: Ritchey WCS carbon<br />
<strong>Handlebar</strong>: Ritchey Super Logic carbon<br />
<strong>Tires</strong>: Kenda Nevegal (standard 29” front and 26” UST rear)<br />
<strong>Saddle</strong>: Selle Italia SLR Troy Lee Design<br />
<strong>Grips</strong>: Oury<br />
<strong>Pedals</strong>: Crank Brothers Egg Beater Ti</p>
<h3  class="related_post_title">Random Posts</h3><ul class="related_post"><li>September 11, 2009 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/putting-hoss-saddle/" title="Putting the Hoss in the Saddle ">Putting the Hoss in the Saddle </a></li><li>December 28, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/determining-correct-tire-pressure/" title="Determining Correct Tire Pressure">Determining Correct Tire Pressure</a></li><li>June 17, 2009 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/stans-notubes-ztr-355-32-hole-rims-review/" title="Stan&#8217;s NoTubes ZTR 355 32-hole Rims Review">Stan&#8217;s NoTubes ZTR 355 32-hole Rims Review</a></li><li>November 7, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/separation-of-bike-and-state/" title="Separation of Bike and State?">Separation of Bike and State?</a></li><li>August 8, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/duct-tape-it-holds-the-universe-togetherand-inner-tubes-too/" title="Duct Tape:  It Holds the Universe Together&#8230;and Inner Tubes Too!">Duct Tape:  It Holds the Universe Together&#8230;and Inner Tubes Too!</a></li><li>January 8, 2009 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/create-singletrack-charleston-park/" title="Help Create New Singletrack at Charleston Park">Help Create New Singletrack at Charleston Park</a></li><li>January 12, 2009 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/frances-julien-absalons-olympic-gold-mountain-bike/" title="France&#8217;s Julien Absalon&#8217;s Olympic Gold Mountain Bike">France&#8217;s Julien Absalon&#8217;s Olympic Gold Mountain Bike</a></li><li>September 23, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/2008-interbike-outdoor-demo-truvativ-hammerschmidt/" title="2008 Interbike OutDoor Demo: Truvativ HammerSchmidt">2008 Interbike OutDoor Demo: Truvativ HammerSchmidt</a></li><li>September 4, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/commencal-furious-freeride-mountain-bike-review-%e2%80%93-crankworx-colorado-2008/" title="Commencal Furious Freeride Mountain Bike Review – Crankworx Colorado 2008           ">Commencal Furious Freeride Mountain Bike Review – Crankworx Colorado 2008           </a></li><li>July 31, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/dehydration-the-forgotten-enemy/" title="Dehydration, the Forgotten Enemy">Dehydration, the Forgotten Enemy</a></li></ul>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Ventana Mountain Bikes USA:  Still Rockin&#8217; it Gringo Style</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill Lobe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sherwood Gibson, owner of Ventana Mountain Bikes USA, has been enjoying the mountain bike scene longer than most of us have been riding. Coming from a BMX background, Gibson built his first steel hardtail in 1985. The past twenty years or so has seen Ventana catapult from humble beginnings to one of the more recognized [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_1403" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 235px"><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/sherwood-gibson.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1403" style="margin: 5px;" title="sherwood-gibson" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/sherwood-gibson-225x300.jpg" alt="sherwood gibson 225x300 Ventana Mountain Bikes USA:  Still Rockin it Gringo Style" width="225" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Sherwood Gibson, owner of Ventana Mountain Bikes USA</p></div>
<p>Sherwood Gibson, owner of <a href="http://www.ventantausa.com" rel="nofollow" title="Ventana Mountain Bikes USA"  target="_blank"><strong>Ventana Mountain Bikes USA</strong></a>, has been enjoying the mountain bike scene longer than most of us have been riding.  Coming from a BMX background, Gibson built his first steel hardtail in 1985.  The past twenty years or so has seen Ventana catapult from humble beginnings to one of the more recognized high-end mountain bike manufacturers in the United States.  Unlike most companies that have been around for the past few decades, Ventana still produces bikes exclusively sourced and assembled in the U.S.A.  The company&#8217;s philosophy places an extraordinary emphasis on quality control and drive for impeccable manufacturing.  Mountain bikers lucky enough to own a Ventana are a critical source of marketing for the company.  Like many builders, Sherwood admits he enjoys building bikes more than selling them.  He was kind enough to talk with me from his shop outside of Sacramento, California.   Feel free to drool at <a href="http://www.ventanausa.com" rel="nofollow" title="Ventana USA"  target="_blank"><strong>Ventana USA</strong></a>.</p>
<p><strong>MTO: </strong>So,where were you guys at the National Handmade Bike Show this past weekend?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> We didn&#8217;t go.  We were planning on it but my wife ended up having to travel for her work and that kept me home.  The other thing about that venue is that there isn&#8217;t a category for best aluminum bike or best aluminum weld, so quite honestly it was for the old-school steel guys, it&#8217;s a better venue for them, we&#8217;re not really even thought of as a custom handmade bike company even though we are. </em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> That&#8217;s what I wanted to touch on right away.  Your company, and I hesitate to use the term &#8220;boutique,&#8221; but being a popular high-end brand that isn&#8217;t one of the big three, have truly maintained the &#8220;handbuilt in the USA&#8221; standard, do you face any challenges in keeping things American? Is any level of production or sourcing done overseas?  Is it a point of pride for the company?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Not at all.  [As for company pride], I guess you could say that,  but really, I like making stuff.  I got into making bikes because I like making stuff and I thought I could do a better job.  And so with that in mind, since I&#8217;m the guy that&#8217;s out there making it happen, if we can bring it in house and it makes sense and we can have better control and have a better product, then we do.  At some point in time, maybe our customer base shrinks and we&#8217;re priced out of the market, but for now people who appreciate that we can give them a product, and so I don&#8217;t have any interest in going offshore because quite honestly I&#8217;m way better at building bikes than I am selling them.  So if I were to go offshore I would have to be better at selling them, and I&#8217;m not very good at that!    A lot of times I can build a bike quicker than I can tell you about it.  It&#8217;s crazy that way, but that&#8217;s the way it is. </em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Before we go any further, you are privately owned?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Yup.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Would you be willing to divulge your sales in terms of bike production?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> In terms of bike production, right now we&#8217;re doing between 600 and 800 year, which sounds like a lot, but when you spread it over 15 models it&#8217;s not that many.  What that has allowed us to do is get really good at doing one-off bikes.  We do a lot of custom bikes for people.  Of those 600 to 800 bikes, 200 to 300 are customs in one form or another.  And we&#8217;re able to respond to that demand because we&#8217;re in-house.  So that works out quite well.  In general, a custom frame that gets ordered today likely gets started tomorrow or within the next couple of days.  And we also do production of our main selling models, we keep those in stock in various sizes, we do powder coating in-house so I go next door and shoot whatever colors we&#8217;re gonna shoot, and that&#8217;s how I keep up.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> You say you have 15 different stock models, I&#8217;m familiar with the product line, but is that the official number in production right now?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Well, there&#8217;s not really an official number, if you go to our website and you change the model name in the URL to a previous model name, all the geometry and information is still on the website, and if someone really wants it, we&#8217;ll still build it.  As long as we have the capability to build it for someone we will.  That 15 is not a hard number.  We probably do 10 very regularly, and then we do road and cross bikes, so it&#8217;s a fluid number.  We used to make bikes for Tomac, Specialized, Ellsworth, a bunch of different bikes for a bunch of different manufacturers.  At that time, we were doing about 3500 frames a year.  So we have more capacity than what we do, but what that does is allows us to focus on our customs in more detail.  I would have to add some employees to get back to that number.  We have six employees now, had 11 when we were at that number. </em><span id="more-1400"></span></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Bikes have become more and more expensive as the sport has grown in popularity. Have you ever considered extending your line into medium or entry-level bikes or are you happy staying in the upper echelon of the competitive market?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> We have attempted to, and I have designed a lower-price-point bike three times in my history.  All three times I had my ass handed to me.  Nobody seems to want to buy the mid-level, the same type of frame of course, we just figure a way to make it a little cheaper to build.  If I were a marketing company, or if I built complete bikes, it might be a different story, but since I do frames that&#8217;s not the case.  Each time I offered a mid price-point frame, we would always sell more of the high-end.  We would blow out the mid-range frames and be done with them.  Tried it three times and it didn&#8217;t work.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Perhaps your reputation preceded you.</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Right.  Although it would be cool to get to a different quantity level so we can realize some economies of scale.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> With the power behind your name it seems like it would be a relatively easy step.</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Well it&#8217;s an easy step, but you have to keep in mind that marketing is our nemesis, for one thing I&#8217;m not really into talking about myself and my product, and not into tooting my own horn.  I like to let the product speak for itself.  Therefore, when it comes time to actually sell somebody, if we wanted to increase our quantities a bunch, I&#8217;d have to take out a marketing campaign, and that&#8217;s not something I have enough knowledge about&#8230;  It&#8217;s kind of a backhanded way of doing it, but it allows us to keep making things in the U.S. which I like, and hopefully enough people will buy enough bikes to keep us going.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> I read on the website that you are using proprietary tubing, does &#8220;proprietary&#8221; refer to the forming process or the material itself?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Pretty much that refers to the forming process.  We also get some custom tubes custom butted from Worth Industries.  I&#8217;m dabbling with some hydroforming, looking to see what I can do in house, and then we&#8217;ll see how much further we can go.  But primarily its about butting shapes and butting profiles and that sort of thing.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Aluminum seems to be king in the dual-suspension bikes, can you tell us a little bit why this has been such a popular material for the dualies?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> The thing about a suspension bike, you are now allowing the bike to flex at a particular point, and all that is controlled by the shock or dampening unit.  So what aluminum does is allows you to make things very stiff where you don&#8217;t want any flex, and you have your flex point at the suspension.  If you couple a shock with the aluminum&#8217;s capabilities it works really well.  Steel and titanium on the other hand have inherent flexiness, if you will, so for hardtails you can build bikes that behave a certain way that people really have come to like, but steel tends to be a little on the heavy side [for full-suspension].  Titanium is a little to flexy, and still too costly.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Do you offer any material other than 6061 aluminum?  What if someone wants a custom that&#8217;s built out of something else?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> We do a few steel bikes a year, the S&amp;S coupled tandem is steel.  If someone requests something, well, if someone requests a steel hardtail I&#8217;ll shove them pretty hard toward one of the other small builders, but if they&#8217;re dead set on getting a Ventana then we&#8217;ll build it for them.  We built 15 bikes or so last year out of steel.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> So someone off the street can dream something up and you&#8217;ll just build it?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Well, that&#8217;s kind of the whole basis of how we stay in business.  Obviously if we were doing just production units, we would go overseas, land [the account], resell the bikes and that would be that.  But we don&#8217;t, we have the ability to tailor to anyone&#8217;s needs, and that allows customers to approach us and get it done.  Since we do everything, we can turn a frame in three days if we need to.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> As far as technology and designs go, does anything stick out in your mind as silly/obsolete?  What has come and gone that you knew wouldn&#8217;t last?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> &#8230;..well, trends come and go, and some ideas seem really stupid, but once they get some traction in the public then they can be a viable option.  [With public approval] someone can refine it and make it better.  So pretty much everything seems goofy at first, I don&#8217;t have any particular pet peeve, I don&#8217;t have the energy for that (laughs).  I would say a big trend right now is the <a href="http://mtobikes.com/hammerschmidt-who-we%E2%80%99ll-all-know-real-soon/"title="HammerSchmidt - What is?"  target="_blank"><strong>Hammerschmidt</strong></a>, people are trying to figure out how to build a <a href="http://mtobikes.com/truvativ-hammerschmidt-shifting-into-the-future/"title="HammerSchmidt - How it Works"  target="_self"><strong>Hammerschmidt</strong></a> into their frame, whether that&#8217;s something that I would use or not, I designed up a bracket that our customers can use.  I let our customers use their own ideas, I don&#8217;t stand in their way.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Is there anything out there right now that might have a foothold with the public that you feel won&#8217;t be viable long term?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> I&#8217;ll say this.  In the early to mid-nineties, there was a lot of that going on, but it&#8217;s a pretty mature industry now.  I can&#8217;t think of any big standouts that I would denounce. Pretty much all disc brakes work.  Each one might have its own nuance, but they all work.  All suspension forks work.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> You have full CNC machining capabilities, is there anything on a Ventana frame that isn&#8217;t made by you?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Well, we don&#8217;t have the capability to do rounded parts, but all our cable stops, etc. are done in house.  We have the capacity to make our own seat clamps but we don&#8217;t.  We make 11 different cable stops, you can buy them right out of the Taiwan book, but we don&#8217;t.  We have some very interesting hand-formed gussets on our frames, hardly anyone does that because it&#8217;s a pain in the ass to do.  All our tube mitres are done by hand.  The way we keep up is by making a whole bunch of parts at the same time as to not hold up bike production.  We also try to share parts across a lot of models.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Your &#8220;Final Assembly Process&#8221; is a form of quality control.  What&#8217;s the top-to-bottom for this process?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Well, it begins before the final assembly.  We check and adjust alignment from the very beginning, before we turn it into a bike.  It&#8217;s looked over all throughout the process.  All the facing and threading is done by hand.  Every step of the way we try to ensure we&#8217;re getting a straighter and straighter product.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Impressive process.  So a few quickies, what&#8217;s your number one best seller?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Well, since the economy is in the dumps, we&#8217;ve seen an increase in hardtails in the last couple months.  But our number one and two sellers are our 5&#8243; travel 26&#8221; bike the El Ciclon, and our 4&#8221; travel 29&#8221; bike the El Rey.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Have you seen an increased demand in the market for 650b wheels?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> It seems to be catching on a little quicker than the 29er, because of the momentum of the 29er.  The 650b is interesting because it truly does bring together traits of both wheels, and I think the longevity of that wheel size depends on whether a Fox or Manitou makes a shock for it.  For us it was easy to add that model because it was just like building a custom bike.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Parting shot:  What&#8217;s the most interesting bike in your garage now?</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> I&#8217;ve got thirty bikes in my garage.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Jeez. I thought I had a problem.</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Some are my kids bikes and such, but the most interesting is probably an old steel hardtail I built in &#8217;85 when I called them Dirtbags.  I got it back from my brother and refurbished it.  The bike I ride the most is probably the <strong><a href="http://mtobikes.com/2008-interbike-quick-review-2009-ventana-el-chucho/"title="2008 Interbike Quick Review - Ventana El Chucho"  target="_self">El Chucho</a></strong> (69er).  I still get a chance to ride two or three times a week, not as much as I used to.</em></p>
<p><strong>MTO:</strong> Sherwood, thanks for talking to me man!</p>
<p><em><strong>GIBSON:</strong> Cool.</em></p>
<p><strong><br />
Contact Info:</strong><br />
Ventana Mountain Bikes USA<br />
Post Office Box 39<br />
Rancho Cordova, California 95741</p>
<p>Office Tel: 916.631.0544<br />
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<h3  class="related_post_title">Random Posts</h3><ul class="related_post"><li>December 31, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/trek-gary-fisher-demo-day-big-creek-mountain-bike-trail-roswell-georgia/" title="Trek and Gary Fisher Demo Day at Big Creek Mountain Bike Trail in Roswell Georgia">Trek and Gary Fisher Demo Day at Big Creek Mountain Bike Trail in Roswell Georgia</a></li><li>October 27, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/raging-red-green-chile-salsa-review/" title="Raging Red Green Chile Salsa Review">Raging Red Green Chile Salsa Review</a></li><li>September 16, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/mountain-bike-brakes-explained-braking-the-confusion/" title="Mountain Bike Brakes Explained:  Braking the Confusion">Mountain Bike Brakes Explained:  Braking the Confusion</a></li><li>August 28, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/riding-green-10-tips-for-riding-responsibly/" title="Riding Green &#8211; 10 Tips for Riding Responsibly">Riding Green &#8211; 10 Tips for Riding Responsibly</a></li><li>August 26, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/rockshox-revelation-426-air-u-turn-mountain-bike-suspension-fork-review/" title="RockShox Revelation 426 Air U-Turn Mountain Bike Suspension Fork Review">RockShox Revelation 426 Air U-Turn Mountain Bike Suspension Fork Review</a></li><li>January 12, 2009 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/frances-julien-absalons-olympic-gold-mountain-bike/" title="France&#8217;s Julien Absalon&#8217;s Olympic Gold Mountain Bike">France&#8217;s Julien Absalon&#8217;s Olympic Gold Mountain Bike</a></li><li>January 10, 2009 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/aerobic-base-training-dead/" title="Is Aerobic Base Training Dead?">Is Aerobic Base Training Dead?</a></li><li>February 25, 2009 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/hoss-technical-gear-stallion-mountain-bike-shorts-review/" title="Hoss Technical Gear Stallion Mountain Bike Shorts Review">Hoss Technical Gear Stallion Mountain Bike Shorts Review</a></li><li>January 19, 2009 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/formula-brakes-review/" title="Formula The One Brakes Review">Formula The One Brakes Review</a></li><li>September 9, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/clix-is-the-fix-for-the-common-quick-release-skewer-blues/" title="CLIX is the Fix for the Common Quick Release Skewer Blues">CLIX is the Fix for the Common Quick Release Skewer Blues</a></li></ul>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>True Beauty Comes From Within</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Carl Martens</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my most favorite people to converse with online is Keith Scott who is the design engineer for Banshee Bikes.  Keith is a wealth of knowledge and has helped me understand the design and mechanics that go into mountain bikes.  From time to time (when he finds time) he will be contributing articles to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my most favorite people to converse with online is <strong><a href="http://mtobikes.com/author/keithscott/"title="Banshee Bikes - Keith Scott" >Keith Scott</a></strong> who is the design engineer for <a href="http://www.mtobikes.com/banshee-bikes" rel="nofollow" title="Banshee Bikes" ><strong>Banshee Bikes</strong></a>.  Keith is a wealth of knowledge and has helped me understand the design and mechanics that go into mountain bikes.  From time to time (when he finds time) he will be contributing articles to this site.</p>
<div id="attachment_1235" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/banshee-bikes-internal-ribbed-seat-and-chainstays.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1235" title="banshee-bikes-internal-ribbed-seat-and-chainstays" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/banshee-bikes-internal-ribbed-seat-and-chainstays-300x201.jpg" alt="banshee bikes internal ribbed seat and chainstays 300x201 True Beauty Comes From Within" width="300" height="201" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Because of the process the material undergoes to form internal ribs, the molecular alignment of extruded metal provides better strength to weight ratio.</p></div>
<p>Today I asked Keith to explain Banshee Bike&#8217;s internal ribbing design for their seat and chainstays.  To my knowledge (and Keith&#8217;s) Banshee Bikes is the only bike manufacturer using an internal rib.  So what is it?</p>
<p>Internal ribbing makes the rear end of Banshee Bikes very laterally stiff meaning all your pedal power goes to the wheel rather than frame flex.  Frame flex is something that most riders overlook.  They think a lighter bike will always accelerate faster.  However, a heavier and stiffer bike is much more likely to beat a lighter one off the line.  Frame flex is probably equally as important as suspension design because it accounts for a lot of the efficiency when pedaling.</p>
<p>The process used to manufacture internal ribbing on bikes is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrusion" rel="nofollow" title="Cold form extrusion" >cold form extrusion</a>. Cold form extrusion is a process in which the material is drawn and pressed through a die which creates the shape by aligning the material.  The nice thing about extruded tubes is that the grain structure of the metal is all aligned in the process which makes the material stronger than it was before extrusion.  Similar to how forged parts are stronger than CNC machined parts for the same weight.</p>
<p>The rib not only increases the second moment of area and structural rigidity of the tubes, but it also makes the bikes much more quiet.  You&#8217;ve probably ridden a big hollow monocoque frame and have noticed the really loud and hollow sound made from chain lap or objects clashing agains the metal surface&#8230;with internal ribbing this noise is significantly reduced.  Not that noise when riding is really important&#8230;  <span id="more-1234"></span></p>
<p>The rib is aligned so that it goes across the stay horizontally so you have stiffness laterally, but some flex vertically to allow for a slightly &#8216;softer&#8217; ride. Because of the process the material undergoes to form internal ribs, the molecular alignment of extruded metal should be mentioned as it provides better strength to weight ratio.  Although the stays are slightly heavier (probably about 10% heavier) the wall thickness can be slightly thinner for same strength as the rib adds to strength too.</p>
<p>I asked Keith if they have the patent on this and to my astonishment his response was, &#8220;No&#8221; and Banshee Bikes does not intend to have this technique patented any time soon.  Banshee Bikes does not believe in patents and would much rather see the bike industry as a whole benefit from innovation.  This was a shock to me.  Keith went on to explain that patents cost a lot of money and in order to keep the affordability of their bikes as low as possible they don&#8217;t like applying for patents because that would ultimately be a cost passed on to the consumer.</p>
<p>So, there you have it&#8230;a little industry insider with Keith Scott of <a href="http://www.mtobikes.com/banshee-bikes.com" rel="nofollow" title="Banshee Bikes" ><strong>Banshee Bikes</strong></a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bansheebikes.com/bikes.html" rel="nofollow" title="Banshee Bikes 2009 Bikes" ><strong>View the 2009 lineup of Banshee Bikes</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>First Ride On My Fully Rigid Singular Swift SS Mountain Bike</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Janne Niini</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Homeboy’s skiing blog provides you skiing tips &#38; tricks, road-trip stories, movie and book reviews, technical information, competition watch, resort reviews, news and photo sessions. Our main focus is to provide you how-to-information, such as how to ski in different conditions, how to fix your equipment and how to organize your ski trip. In the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-singletrack.jpg"></a><a href="http://homeboyski.com/" rel="nofollow" title="Homeboy's Skiing blog"  target="_blank">Homeboy’s skiing blog</a><em> provides you skiing tips &amp; tricks, road-trip stories, movie and book reviews, technical information, competition watch, resort reviews, news and photo sessions. Our main focus is to provide you how-to-information, such as how to ski in different conditions, how to fix your equipment and how to organize your ski trip. In the summer time our main sport is mountain biking and you will find quite a lot of mountain biking related content on the blog at the moment.</em></em></p>
<p>I recently wrote a short <a href="http://homeboyski.com/2008/07/10/going-fully-rigid-mountain-biking-related/" rel="nofollow"  target="_blank">article</a> about converting my 29er hardtail to fully rigid single-speed. Carl from Made-to-Order Bikes found my text and asked me to feature here on this site with a post about my Singular. Well, I found this a good opportunity to promote our blog a bit. I was also just about to write a first ride report with the new set-up, so the timing suited me very well.</p>
<p><em><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-88" title="rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike1" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike1.jpg" alt="rigid singular swift ss mountain bike1 First Ride On My Fully Rigid Singular Swift SS Mountain Bike" width="500" height="375" /></a><br />
My Singular</em></p>
<p>I guess the <a href="http://www.singularcycles.com/index.htm" rel="nofollow" title="Singular Cycles"  target="_blank">Singular brand</a> is not the most well known in the USA. So, I start with a brief introduction of the manufacturer:</p>
<p>Singular is a small frame manufacturer from UK specializing in 29er bikes. A quote from their website tells the following:</p>
<p>”Singular Cycles brings you bikes for the type of riding you do. A blend of modern concepts with proven design and materials makes for beautiful bikes, which ride like a dream.</p>
<p>We’ve become disillusioned with ever more fragile bikes and components which offer no real benefit to the everyday rider who wants a bike which rides sweetly, looks lovely, and doesn’t need replacing every year.</p>
<p>Singular Cycles &#8211; singularly distinctive bicycles.”</p>
<p>The company also has a <a href="http://www.singularcycles.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" title="Singular Cycles Blog"  target="_blank">nice blog</a> – check it out for more detail about e.g. product development, race results and customer’s bikes.</p>
<p>I have ridden the 29er now for a bit over two seasons. Before my current bike I rode (the original) Gary Fisher Rig for about one and a half season. I bought the Singular last November and didn’t ride it much during the winter months. I was pretty happy with the <a href="http://homeboyski.com/2008/04/18/mountain-biking-season-opener/" rel="nofollow"  target="_blank">original hard tail set-up</a> in e.g. this <a href="http://homeboyski.com/2008/07/01/tahko-mtb-event-2008/" rel="nofollow"  target="_blank">endurance event</a>. However, having enjoyed the excellent rolling features the 29ers offer, I started to think that maybe it is the rolling and the geometry that weight more when defining the good riding characters of a bike than the suspension per se (Especially when thinking about cross-country/trail bikes).</p>
<p>With that said I was still a bit nervous about this project. After all, I pretty much learned to ride a mountain bike on a full suspension rig, as I already wrote in my <a href="http://homeboyski.com/2008/07/10/going-fully-rigid-mountain-biking-related/" rel="nofollow"  target="_blank">original blog post</a> about this issue. This feeling got stronger as the day for the test ride came – as the first notion on the morning was “damn, it has rained the whole night before…” (This means slippery with capital s on our trails…)</p>
<p>We rode some five miles to the trailhead and paused to let some air pressure out of the tires. I pumped the tires (Panaracer Rampage 2.35”) to about 3 bar (around 42psi) for the road and tried now to adjust them to about 2.5 bar (around 36psi).</p>
<p><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-descent.jpg"><img class="alignleft alignnone size-medium wp-image-89" style="float: left; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 5px;" title="rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-descent" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-descent-225x300.jpg" alt="rigid singular swift ss mountain bike descent 225x300 First Ride On My Fully Rigid Singular Swift SS Mountain Bike" width="225" height="300" /></a>The trail started with some series of technical short climbs. Which were not easy for me – I should have probably let even more air out of the tires as the rear wheel kept slipping. (I’ve read somewhere that Rampages are not the best wet-conditions tires anyway?) Also the bigger factor after riding gears for couple of months was sprinting for some square-edged “steps” on the climbs: I think I just got used to the seated/geared climbing again, and now the single-speed riding style just wasn’t immediately there. The 38-18 gearing felt a tad heavy; previously I’ve had 32-19, which suits maybe even better to our rooty/quite technical trails. (I think I keep it like it is though, because now the transition to trail head was bearable. With any lighter gearing the roads would start to feel total PITA in my humble opinion.)</p>
<p>However, the flatter sections of the trail were ok and the 29er wheel rolled nice and easily just like it should. With the rigid fork your hands are going to feel more impacts for sure but on the other hand lifting the front wheel and/or making small corrections were very easy and accurate – a pretty cool and new feeling to me.</p>
<p>Then we got to some nice steep rollers. Whoa, I never believed an<a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-downhill.jpg"><img class="alignright alignnone size-medium wp-image-90" style="float: right; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 5px;" title="rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-downhill" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-downhill-300x225.jpg" alt="rigid singular swift ss mountain bike downhill 300x225 First Ride On My Fully Rigid Singular Swift SS Mountain Bike" width="300" height="225" /></a> old-school rider friend that blasted how rigid fork is actually very good on steeps as the geometry never change during the descent. Check the pictures, I really dug to ride these slick rock sections, and was surprised how well it all went.</p>
<p>After that the trail got easier and I found the rigid bike very fun on some mellower, faster sections. After all, weight savings over a suspension fork must feel somewhere. Rigid bike, mellow up-hill and single speed – you don’t need any “pro pedal” set-ups, right?</p>
<p><em><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-singletrack.jpg"></a><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-singletrack.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-91" title="rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-singletrack" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-singletrack.jpg" alt="rigid singular swift ss mountain bike singletrack First Ride On My Fully Rigid Singular Swift SS Mountain Bike" width="500" height="565" /></a><br />
Typical Southern Finland Singletrack</em></p>
<p>It was only when we hit one particular slippery part of the trail with big, wet roots when I got in trouble again. I wasn’t attacking the obstacles aggressive enough and kept slipping around – frustrating for sure but next time I know I should just pedal on and not hesitate…(funny how easy it always sound at the desk!)</p>
<p>Also, after about two hour of riding, I really started to feel the impacts on the arms, especially when the speeds got higher in the downhills. Today’s loop wasn’t much longer than that thought. I’ve yet to see if I can take some four-five hours ride with the rigid fork – at least you get some decent arm pump if nothing else…</p>
<p>At the end I also have to praise the Singular on some well thought design. Their rigid fork that is designed to go with the frame offers very good handling. The fork is quite long for a rigid one (485mm A-C) and has a rake/off-set of 48mm (that’s a good amount of it folks!). But this combinations just works – riding this bike will keep you smiling. Check this <a href="http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?p=3129898#poststop" rel="nofollow"  target="_blank">review</a> from MTBR for further proof. It seems like riders way better than me liked the bike too.</p>
<p>And at last, I’d like to thank Carl for an opportunity to write on this excellent site. Happy trails and just keep pedaling! I hope you enjoyed my review.</p>
<p><em>Janne/ Homeboyski Team</em></p>
<p><em><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-singletrack.jpg"></a><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-trail.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-92" title="rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-trail" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/rigid-singular-swift-ss-mountain-bike-trail.jpg" alt="rigid singular swift ss mountain bike trail First Ride On My Fully Rigid Singular Swift SS Mountain Bike" width="500" height="375" /></a><br />
Just another shot from today’s ride</em></p>
<ul class="related_post"><li>December 18, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/entrylevel-hardtail-shootout/" title="Entry-Level Hardtail Shootout">Entry-Level Hardtail Shootout</a></li><li>October 20, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/mountain-bike-history-101-and-the-single-speed/" title="Mountain Bike History 101 and the Single Speed">Mountain Bike History 101 and the Single Speed</a></li><li>September 29, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/the-single-speed-guide/" title="The Single Speed Guide">The Single Speed Guide</a></li><li>September 21, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/hardtail-vs-full-suspension-which-is-right-for-you/" title="Hardtail VS. Full-Suspension: Which is Right for You? ">Hardtail VS. Full-Suspension: Which is Right for You? </a></li><li>July 16, 2008 -- <a href="http://mtobikes.com/big-wheel-revolution-the-29er/" title="Big Wheel Revolution:  The 29er">Big Wheel Revolution:  The 29er</a></li></ul>]]></content:encoded>
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