Moots Titanium Open Trail Stem and Cinch Layback Seatpost Combo Review
July 15, 2009 by Bill Lobe
Filed under Components
Gorgeous, Tough, and Pricey–Is it worth it?
OK, I’ve given this one a lot of thought. So many factors to consider: Performance, Weight, Stiffness, Price, Aesthetics, Reputation, Durability, etc., etc. Lets get some of the facts out of the way first:
Moots Open Trail 1-1/8″ bi-ovalized Stem (four-bolt faceplate)
Weight: 166 grams for 100mm length, (according to my digital component scale, don’t dispute me)
Material: Titanium, duh. (3/2.5 Ti for those of you who care)
Look: Super Sexy
Price: ~ $275-$400 depending on your retail shopping savvy. OUCH!!!!
Moots Cinch Layback Seatpost (Setback)
Weight: 222 grams (again, don’t mess with my scale, she’s sensitive)
Material: Same, duh
Look: Hotter than your girlfriend
Price: ~ $230-$305 retail
Now, the weight weenies out there will immediately look at the weight and get pretty excited. The pragmatists among us will look at the Price-to-Weight ratio and reel from sticker shock. The glamour queens will just look at the parts and have to wipe the drool off their chins. The question must be asked: Are these high-line parts worth the dough?
It’s not an easy question to answer, it all depends on the rider, their bank account, and priorities. There’s no denying the performance of these parts, Moots doesn’t need me to defend the quality of their product. I’m a pedal-masher and a gear-grinder, so I gave these parts a legitimate workout, and found no significant flaws. I expected the Open Trail Stem to be a little flexy–it wasn’t. I tried to get some wiggle out of it and couldn’t, it felt perfectly stiff. The bi-ovalized tubing is amazingly strong and the four-bolt faceplate is an improvement over the older two-bolt model. The Cinch Layback Seatpost was what you’d expect from a titanium seatpost, comfortable, although not as comfortable as carbon. Carbon is definitely cushy, but I love the ti. I have nothing against carbon fiber components and frames, but titanium lasts forever, literally, and if it fails, it won’t fail catastrophically and you’ll probably get back to the trailhead in one piece. If you’ve ever heard that nerve-rattling bamboo-crunch of carbon fiber failing, you’ll appreciate having some titanium under your taint. Plus, the new Cinch clamp is extraordinarily easy to use, the only caveat is that it fits ONLY 7mm rails.
So the Moots gear must be worth the money because the titanium is so light, right? Not really. Like most mountain bikers, I have a special reverence for titanium, but a common myth is that it’s the lightest stuff around. Titanium has a remarkable strength-to-weight ratio, but when you compare these parts to similar aluminum high-performance stems and seatposts, they don’t win by much. I rode these parts on the gorgeous Ventana El Bastardo (review coming soon!), which was sent to us spec’d with a Thomson Elite stem and seatpost (my personal favs). When I weighed the parts back to back, I found the titanium parts were lighter by only a few grams. The Moots stem was only lighter by two grams. Two grams? That’s it???? When you consider the retail price of the Moots combo sets you back about $600 (American Dollars!!) and the Thomson will only cost you about $200, the decision seems easy, right? Well, again, not really.
Look at it this way: A well-optioned Corvette ZR1 can beat the socks off several models of Ferraris. The Vette will put about a $100,000 dent in your bank account, good luck finding a new Ferrari for less than $300,000 (depending on the model, car guys please don’t flame me, this argument is for demonstrative purposes). Does the difference seem similar? Right, the Vette costs about a third of what the Ferrari costs, similar to the difference in retail price between the Moots and Thomson parts. It’s undeniable, both cars kick ass, but which one would you like to see in your garage? I wouldn’t complain about either, but let’s face it, a Corvette is NOT a Ferrari. So, if money was no object which would you get? I suppose that’s a matter of personal taste, but last time I checked Ferrari wasn’t in fear of going bankrupt, people are still buying them. On a scale of 1-10 for performance, I would give both the Thomson and the Moots parts both a perfect 10. I personally think the Thomson stuff looks plenty hot, I have their stuff on most of my bikes, but when I put the Moots parts on the Ventana, there was no denying its super-bling factor. Simple, elegant, genius, and flawless. Raw titanium is just so damn pretty, and you don’t have to worry about rust. The only aesthetic complaint I have about the Moots combo is the stickers. Stickers? For $600 I’d like to see some kind of machined etching, anything but a limp sticker that comes off in my repair stand.
So, you have to ask yourself, are you a Corvette guy or a Ferrari guy? And don’t be a smart-ass and say “Lamborghini guy,” you know what I’m saying. If you’ve got the cash, and really want to step up the sexiness of your ride, buy the Moots, because every time you go into the garage and look at it you’ll forget how much you paid. I’m still a huge Thomson fan, but it’s really going to hurt when I have to send these beautiful parts back to Steamboat Springs, I’m going to miss them.
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If you can afford a Moots, any Moots – be it a post, stem, frame or full-ride… go for it. Moots quality is second to none, and the company stands behind their products. They’re a small operation working out of a tiny ski-town in Colorado, yet they manage to produce heirloom-quality bikes time and time again. A made-in-the-USA product that every citizen should be proud of. A Ti Moots frame will most likely out-last any part you hang on it. You’ll burn through dozens of tires, forks and wheels before your Moots needs refinishing… And they do that too! (posts and stems as well)
A dozen or so guys and gals run the whole operation, and they’re all riders (some road, some mtb, most both). Their passion for cycling gets translated into every tube mitered and frame tacked & welded. You won’t have a “dud” part come out of the Moots factory. Each part goes through numerous hands before it leaves the shop. It’s quality stuff…made right here at home…
Like they say… stop upgrading over and over… just get a Moots and spend the rest of your time riding.