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		<title>Moots Titanium Open Trail Stem and Cinch Layback Seatpost Combo Review</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill Lobe</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gorgeous, Tough, and Pricey&#8211;Is it worth it?
OK, I&#8217;ve given this one a lot of thought.  So many factors to consider: Performance, Weight, Stiffness, Price, Aesthetics, Reputation, Durability, etc., etc.  Lets get some of the facts out of the way first:

Moots Open Trail 1-1/8&#8243; bi-ovalized Stem (four-bolt faceplate)
Weight:  166 grams for 100mm length, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>Gorgeous, Tough, and Pricey&#8211;Is it worth it?</strong></em></p>
<p>OK, I&#8217;ve given this one a lot of thought.  So many factors to consider: Performance, Weight, Stiffness, Price, Aesthetics, Reputation, Durability, etc., etc.  Lets get some of the facts out of the way first:</p>
<p><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/moots-titanium-open-trail-stem-.JPG" rel="lightbox"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1581" style="border: 2px solid black;" title="moots titanium open trail stem" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/moots-titanium-open-trail-stem--300x282.jpg" alt="moots titanium open trail stem" width="300" height="282" /></a></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Moots Open Trail 1-1/8&#8243; bi-ovalized Stem (four-bolt faceplate)</strong></span><br />
<strong>Weight</strong>:  166 grams for 100mm length,  (according to my digital component scale, don&#8217;t dispute me)<br />
<strong>Material</strong>:  Titanium, duh.  (3/2.5 Ti for those of you who care)<br />
<strong>Look</strong>:  Super Sexy<br />
<strong>Price</strong>:  ~ $275-$400 depending on your retail shopping savvy.  OUCH!!!!</p>
<p><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/moots-titanium-cinch-layback-seatpost.JPG" rel="lightbox"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1582" style="border: 2px solid black;" title="moots titanium cinch layback seatpost" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/moots-titanium-cinch-layback-seatpost-300x245.jpg" alt="moots titanium cinch layback seatpost" width="300" height="245" /></a></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Moots Cinch Layback Seatpost (Setback)</strong></span><br />
<strong>Weight</strong>:  222 grams (again, don&#8217;t mess with my scale, she&#8217;s sensitive)<br />
<strong>Material</strong>:  Same, duh<br />
<strong>Look</strong>:  Hotter than your girlfriend<br />
<strong>Price</strong>:  ~ $230-$305 retail</p>
<p>Now, the weight weenies out there will immediately look at the weight and get pretty excited.  The pragmatists among us will look at the Price-to-Weight ratio and reel from sticker shock.  The glamour queens will just look at the parts and have to wipe the drool off their chins.  The question must be asked:  Are these high-line parts worth the dough?</p>
<p><a href="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/moots-titanium-open-trail-stem-frontview.JPG" rel="lightbox"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1583" style="border: 2px solid black; margin: 10px;" title="moots titanium open trail stem frontview" src="http://mtobikes.com/wp-content/uploads/moots-titanium-open-trail-stem-frontview-199x300.jpg" alt="moots titanium open trail stem frontview" width="199" height="300" /></a>It&#8217;s not an easy question to answer, it all depends on the rider, their bank account, and priorities.  There&#8217;s no denying the performance of these parts, <a title="Titanium Mountain Bikes and Components" href="http://www.moots.com" target="_blank"><strong>Moots</strong></a> doesn&#8217;t need me to defend the quality of their product.  I&#8217;m a pedal-masher and a gear-grinder, so I gave these parts a legitimate workout, and found no significant flaws.  I expected the <a title="Moots Open Trail Mountain Bike Stem" href="http://www.moots.com/store-indivdisplay.php?primaryAutoID=261&amp;Department=Titanium+Components" target="_blank"><strong>Open Trail Stem</strong></a> to be a little flexy&#8211;it wasn&#8217;t.  I tried to get some wiggle out of it and couldn&#8217;t, it felt perfectly stiff.  The bi-ovalized tubing is amazingly strong and the four-bolt faceplate is an improvement over the older two-bolt model. The <a title="Moots Clinch Layback Seatpost" href="http://www.moots.com/store-indivdisplay.php?primaryAutoID=225&amp;Department=Titanium+Components" target="_blank"><strong>Cinch Layback Seatpost</strong></a> was what you&#8217;d expect from a titanium seatpost, comfortable, although not as comfortable as carbon.  Carbon is definitely cushy, but I love the ti.  I have nothing against carbon fiber components and frames, but titanium lasts forever, literally, and if it fails, it won&#8217;t fail catastrophically and you&#8217;ll probably get back to the trailhead in one piece.  If you&#8217;ve ever heard that nerve-rattling bamboo-crunch of carbon fiber failing, you&#8217;ll appreciate having some titanium under your taint.  Plus, the new Cinch clamp is extraordinarily easy to use, the only caveat is that it fits ONLY 7mm rails.</p>
<p>So the Moots gear must be worth the money because the titanium is so light, right?  Not really.  Like most mountain bikers, I have a special reverence for titanium, but a common myth is that it&#8217;s the lightest stuff around.  Titanium has a remarkable strength-to-weight ratio, but when you compare these parts to similar aluminum high-performance stems and seatposts, they don&#8217;t win by much.  I rode these parts on the gorgeous <a title="Ventana El Bastardo Mountain Bike" href="http://www.ventanausa.com/frame_elbastardo.html" target="_blank"><strong>Ventana El Bastardo</strong></a> (review coming soon!), which was sent to us spec&#8217;d with a <a href="http://http://www.lhthomson.com/bikes.htm" target="_blank">Thomson Elite</a> stem and seatpost (my personal favs).  When I weighed the parts back to back,  I found the titanium parts were lighter by only a few grams.  The Moots stem was only lighter by two grams.  Two grams?  That&#8217;s it????  When you consider the retail price of the Moots combo sets you back about $600 (American Dollars!!) and the Thomson will only cost you about $200, the decision seems easy, right?  Well, again, not really.  <span id="more-1564"></span></p>
<p>Look at it this way:  A well-optioned Corvette ZR1 can beat the socks off several models of Ferraris.  The Vette will put about a $100,000 dent in your bank account, good luck finding a new Ferrari for less than $300,000 (depending on the model, car guys please don&#8217;t flame me, this argument is for demonstrative purposes).  Does the difference seem similar?  Right, the Vette costs about a third of what the Ferrari costs, similar to the difference in retail price between the Moots and Thomson parts.  It&#8217;s undeniable, both cars kick ass, but which one would you like to see in your garage?  I wouldn&#8217;t complain about either, but let&#8217;s face it, a Corvette is NOT a Ferrari.  So, if money was no object which would you get?  I suppose that&#8217;s a matter of personal taste, but last time I checked Ferrari wasn&#8217;t in fear of going bankrupt, people are still buying them.  On a scale of 1-10 for performance, I would give both the Thomson and the Moots parts both a perfect 10.  I personally think the Thomson stuff looks plenty hot, I have their stuff on most of my bikes, but when I put the Moots parts on the Ventana, there was no denying its super-bling factor.  Simple, elegant, genius, and flawless.  Raw titanium is just so damn pretty, and you don&#8217;t have to worry about rust.  The only aesthetic complaint I have about the Moots combo is the stickers.  Stickers?  For $600 I&#8217;d like to see some kind of machined etching, anything but a limp sticker that comes off in my repair stand.</p>
<p>So, you have to ask yourself, are you a Corvette guy or a Ferrari guy?  And don&#8217;t be a smart-ass and say &#8220;Lamborghini guy,&#8221; you know what I&#8217;m saying.  If you&#8217;ve got the cash, and really want to step up the sexiness of your ride, buy the Moots, because every time you go into the garage and look at it you&#8217;ll forget how much you paid.  I&#8217;m still a huge <a title="Thomson Bike Components" href="http://www.lhthomson.com/bikes.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Thomson</strong></a> fan, but it&#8217;s really going to hurt when I have to send these beautiful parts back to Steamboat Springs, I&#8217;m going to miss them.</p>
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